The following is the transcript of an interview with our Founder & Director
conducted by himself on himself. It has been conducted with an agreement
that it may be published in print form as an interview by any major
publication that would be interested, so long as credit is given to Mr. Jean-
Pierre Ady Fenyo, our Founder & Director.



Q. As mentioned in the brief introduction you founded The Society for the
Mass Dissemination of The Concept of Infinity in 1988. Why then?


J.P. Fenyo: Well, there’s no easy answer…. Suffice it to say that I had just
reached some degree of fame as The Original New York City Free Advice
Man a year earlier in 1987 and it became apparent to me that many people I
met out on the sidewalks of New York were looking for a way to be able to
live a relatively moral and ethical life, one could say a spiritual life, without
having to live in denial of scientific facts and reality and without becoming
religious fanatics or atheists. I mean, many in our world today want a
philosophy of life that does not force them to become inflexibly religious or
materialistically atheistic… So, between the time I became famous and I
established the early form of the society I spent a lot of late nights putting
together my own philosophical ideas into a cohesive philosophical theory
that to my way of thinking would be able to help people reconcile their need
for a spiritually conscious life with their need for truth, especially
scientifically proven reality!

Q. That sounds dangerous! Scientifically proven reality? What exactly do
you mean by that?

J.P. Fenyo: I see your concern… Sure, science is not well understood
today by too many people in the world whose lives science has a direct and
sometimes negative technological impact on! Let me give you an example
of scientific reality; the age of our planet and the earliest known life-forms
that came into existence on it… Earth is estimated at over 3.8 billion years,
based on specific proven methods of dating….3.8 billion is not 5767 years,
as unfortunately many religious people are led to believe! Life probably
came about after the first billion years, and took another billion and a half
just to become multi-cellular! Most people cannot even imagine what such a
long period of time that is! Mammals evolved into existence around 70
million years ago… To put it all into perspective; if the history of the first life
till now were measured in the length of a pencil then, the rubber end being
the beginning of known life…then mammals evolved at the last one-third of
the graphite tip-point of the pencil! And the earliest hominid species, our
higher primate-like ancestors, came about 1.5 to 2 million years ago, at a
point on the pencil tip almost impossible to measure with your bare eyes!!
Those are proven scientific facts and reality!

Q. But some say that science has made huge mistakes in the past and that
those  methods of measurement are not entirely reliable. How can we be
sure?

J.P. Fenyo: Science is based on strict guidelines, methods, rules, norms,
etc…. Where science has previously erred, especially in the fields of
physics and medicine, there are specific understandable reasons for those
errors, but rarely have those errors been regarding specific scientific fact.
Most of what science knows to be fact today is not at any risk of being
discovered to be fallacious or false. Evolution is fact, albeit the specifics
about how and when certain life-forms and species evolved or came into
being is open to question… No reasonable scientist who truly adheres to
scientific methodology will deny that the evidence for the evolution of life,
over periods of hundreds of millions of years,  is conclusive beyond any
reasonable doubt! Of course, we now have good reason, in effect evidence,
to think that the evolution of life and specifically of our own species may
have involved influences beyond the strict embryo of Earth’s biosphere! The
story of life, how it actually came into existence and how it has evolved is
not set in stone, but we do know that evolution of life on this planet
happened both over incredibly long eons of time and sometimes mutations,
changes, happened literally overnight! Again, what is fact is that 5767 years
ago advanced human civilization was already going on. So, to be fair, an
Orthodox Jew or a conservative Catholic or Protestant should consider the
possibility that theirs are symbolic years or that the people who wrote their
holy books were just that; people, with no true idea of scientific fact!

Q. Does that mean that you are anti-religious?

J.P. Fenyo: Not at all! Religion in general has some very positive aspects
and points, but I am sure that the Great Combined Soul or Spirit called God
by us humans is not religious and would not chose one religion over
another! God is without the need for abstract knowledge and the ability to
discriminate, which on a spiritual level…discriminating is actually a
significant drawback if not irreconcilable obstacle! God does not
discriminate, although we do, and those of us who live spiritual lives of love
and wisdom must discriminate, but not against anyone, but against ideas,
statements and behavior that takes us away from the loving ways of God
and spiritual living!

Q. But you haven’t really answered the question. Are you for or against
organized religion?

J.P. Fenyo: Yes and no. I am against the abuse of religious sentiment and
the idea that there is only one religion that is the right one. For example,
someone who says that they are a Christian or follower of Yoshua and take
the New Testament to be full of wisdom and love, but do not wish to impose
or even expect the world to convert to his or her way of religion…that’s
someone I can live with as even a friend, that is religion in a form that does
not pose a threat to the rights of other religions and even does not threaten
those who are either atheists or spiritual scientists, such as myself. But the
one who says that there is no room for tolerance of other faiths or other
ideas about life, God, etcetera, the one who will tell you that you will burn in
hell if you do not accept their ways, the one who is willing to let you suffer
and die in poverty or even will be willing to murder you for their religious
goals….that kind of inflexible, intolerant religiosity is inherently wrong and
even contradictory in the extreme, that fanatic religious point of view is
unacceptable for me! If a religion or religious stance leads to spirituality that
is not in denial of science then fine. If a religion leads to efforts to bring us
all to the brink of genocide or global self-destruction as a species, then that
is sick and goes against the very sense of a God who is truly loving and
respectful of human freedom!

Q. Are you not worried that you will be perceived as seeking to destroy
classical religions?

J.P. Fenyo: Worried? Well, I know that throughout human history people
have been tortured, burned on crosses and what not, murdered, for
appearing to seek to destroy established religious institutions or entities. But
I am not interested in bringing about the end of traditional or classic religion.
In fact, there is plenty of evidence that religions themselves evolve and
change into ways of living in faith that are more and more compatible with
the self-evident and scientifically proven facts of reality! Look…I do not think
there is any serious risk that if, say, my ideas on the impact of the
meditating on the idea of the infinite, my spiritual and scientific worldview or
philosophical approach were to become popular then Catholicism,
Protestantism, Anglicanism, Judaism, Orthodox Judaism, Orthodox
Christianity, Buddhism, Islam would suddenly be at risk of vanishing.
There is, unfortunately, a much greater chance that all of humanity will
vanish before religion does, and that would probably happen because
religion did not evolve and become more of what it would seem a truly
loving and freedom-respecting God would want! Just for the sake of
constructive dialogue and fair argument, suppose that one of the existing
religions in the world today was the only right one that God wants for us to
accept and live by….suppose….then why doesn’t that kind of God, who till
now has allowed hundreds of millions to be murdered in wars partly fueled
by religious differences…why doesn’t God give every single person on
Earth absolutely conclusive proof of his form of existence and his only
choice of religion?? I mean, he could…and that’s supposing that God has a
gender identity at all…if he really is omni-powerful on a physical level……he
could produce a specific holy book out of thin air right in front of me right
now and then with a loud voice say: “Look here son, you’ve gone astray, but
I would be wrong and unloving if I did not do this and prove to you that this
is the right religion and way of life to follow!”  Does he do this in such an
obvious way? No! God does not. Of course, the ability to produce in front
of my person a holy book for me to keep, read and follow would suffice as
evidence, but some may need more convincing evidence like making
excess weight disappear in a flash or restoring one’s sight and so forth.

Q. But some say that God does provide clear and undeniable evidence, just
not in a way that would be convincing to someone who does not already
accept Him.(?)

J.P.Fenyo: Sure! That kind of nonsense pseudo-reasoning goes back ages.
Look, Baruch Spinoza made it perfectly clear that a truly loving God would
not, if able to do anything about it, allow us to go astray and would provide
undeniable evidence, no matter how we might initially think about things.
God does not deceive us and the scientific evidence found in nature shows
us the powers and limitations of God! Yes, God too must have limitations,
or else God could turn into an opposite of a Spiritual Absolute Being of
Love and torture us like crazy! I mean, it’s simple: God must be all good and
loving…fine…but innocent people get harmed and God does not pull a
direct miracle each time to prevent actual harm from happening. Why? Is it
because God was displeased with the decisions of our common first
ancestors…say Adam and Eve…of Enki and Enlil…and so has no qualms
about letting us suffer for their sins?!? Come on now, that flies right in the
face of the supposition that God grants us absolutely freedom and free will
in this life to chose God’s way or go against God, which also makes no
sense! Look, seriously now: would you, I or anyone in their right mind do
anything against the actual will of a Supreme Being that not only made it
perfectly clear that He can actually make anything vanish or appear instantly,
by an actual example of this Almighty power for each one to witness, but
who provides for all the basic needs for a healthy, pleasant and safe life?!?
Of course not. You, I and anyone else in their right mind would have to lose
their mental health to do so, which would then take away all culpability. No,
as I see it God is real, but limited to being all-powerful on a purely Spiritual
plane, level or dimension, and on the level of Spirit experiencing Life through
Physics, on this level we are now in, God has limited powers! God may
have the power to connect good Spiritual people, so that they may help one
another in hard times, God may re-direct the Life-Force of Mother Nature
towards a person who is ill or injured and heal that person by such a process
and God may influence the state of mind of someone who otherwise seeks
to harm us….all of these things being things which I have actually
experienced…but God never prevents the risk of harm and the hurt and
injury that have happened to me, not because I have been a bad, anti-social
anti-environmental person….for I have been a fairly good person and
helped protect nature and society….but because God does not have that
much power on the physical aspects of Life! Look, you are either willing to
take it for granted that life was not meant to be pleasurable most of the
time, that suffering is the norm, because for some unknown reason God
thinks suffering is acceptable, or you realize that God would prevent all
suffering and harm if God could do so, but God has logical limitations!


Q. Interesting. So, if I understand you right, you’re suggesting or saying that
God may be all powerful at the point when one loses one’s physical body
and brain, but not on the world of chemicals, atoms, planets, stars and life?

J.P. Fenyo: Yes.

Q. But that is not what most people would call a God.

J.P. Fenyo: Yes, most people’s idea of God is based on this very unhealthy
and unrealistic desire to have a definite and absolute source cause of
things. People do not, at first, like the idea of an infinite universe where God
is an indestructible eternal combined Spiritual Being, made up of all the
souls of all living beings and all previous living beings, and a universe that
has an infinite number of the same God Beings, that can conjoin and be split
into separate blobs of God, where there is no ultimate beginning of it all. I
mean, try reading to a child a story that goes like this: Once upon a time,
somewhere in an infinite universe, sometime after an eternity of time and
before an eternity, there was a boy who liked to fish for flounder on a crystal
clear blue sea! Even till this day I find this disturbing to think about. I mean
infinity is not easy to accept, but if we would all love one another and treat
one another with respect and would care only as much as requested or, in
the case of the very young and dependent ones, as much as needed, then
infinity would not be such an uncomfortable idea! The strange thing
however, is this: in order to make the world such a relatively safe, loving,
pleasant and yet respectful and decent place we must get everyone to think
about infinity and begin to think about all the deep philosophical questions
that infinity raises! In effect it seems hopeless! The one idea that can save
the world is the one idea people tend to fear thinking about the most, but
people wouldn’t fear thinking about it if they knew that they were not alone in
thinking about it and if the world was a warm and friendly place in which to
think about it!

Q. Wow. You’ve said a bundle there, and I’m not too sure I really understand
it. Could you repeat it in a different way?

J.P. Fenyo: Sure. The world prefers to think that God is in charge and
everything is in God’s hands, so that there is no real need to worry, because
God will take care of everything no matter what may happen! God is like a
father that comes home from work each day and brings to the dinner table
the food and drink that makes everyone happy! And God is the best father
because God never stops bringing the source of life itself. And those who
go hungry are probably families or persons that have somehow upset God.
Yet God made everything there is at a specific point in time and like an easy
story to understand the story of God’s universe has an actual beginning and
an end, at least as far as we are concerned, and like a dog, a head and a
tail, the story can be easily understood! People do not like stories that
cannot be easily understood, that are so complicated they require a lot of
mental effort or work to figure out1 People like simple answers, just as they
like simple explanations for why things are the way they are! People,
because of their tendency to fear having to work hard at thinking a lot, would
even prefer to live in a world of predictable suffering and easily knowable
truths than a world of unpredictable events and hard to understand truths,
even if that more complex and difficult world were a more pleasant world
overall! People do not like an idea which takes away what they think they
know to be fact and exposes them as mere myths and falsehoods! People
fear a universe of unknowns and real mysteries! People would rather rush
back into the cave of ignorance and denial, no matter the suffering such
ignorance and denial causes or leads to, than exit the cave once and for all
and open their eyes to the truth: that nothing is what it seemed to be,
everything is so strange, so weird, so chaotic yet sometimes orderly, and
we humans are so vulnerable, and yet so dependent on one another! Even I
have trouble letting go of past assumptions, losing the clothes of false ideas
that provided me with the illusion of security or at least of certainty, being
exposed naked to the universes often cold hard reality yet being naked
together intimately with other warm human bodies and receiving either
platonic affection and love or , with whom appropriate, sexual affection and
love, and having to live in a state of not knowing what is certain beyond a
few absolutes, such as that infinity must exist and be the boundless totality
of all whose number cannot ever be named and whose totality is eternally
unlimited in number! And another absolute that I can be sure of, that life is a
relatively rare experience, at least in this region of the galaxy, that the Spirit I
am is part of the Great Spirit of All Life on this planet and that life was
meant be loving, sensual, affectionate, sexual and for the most part
pleasant! And yet, I can also be sure of the fact that in this currently
confused and relatively ignorant world, a mass of humanity presently in need
of true enlightenment, suffering arises ultimately from this mass insecurity
and hysteria born of the fear of the unknown, that is now causing the
masses to rush back down into the false security of the dark cave of
ignorance!

Q. Aha, I think I see your point quite clearly. And now I seem to have trouble
deciding what I should ask next. Have you any suggestions?

J.P. Fenyo: Suggestions about what you should ask next?

Q. Yes.

J.P. Fenyo: Well now, that’s where my respect for your freedom comes into
the picture. Sure I do, but are you sure that you want me to suggest a
question?

Q. Hah! Do you think that your general world-view and philosophical ideas
on the power of the concept of infinity to change the way people think and
behave will ever become popular enough to bring about that Everlasting Era
of Enlightenment, of relative tolerance, unity-through-diversity, love,
wisdom, peace and subsequent prosperity and joy?

J.P. Fenyo: I sure do hope so! I mean, one could argue that if I would give
up my philosophical way of life and simply became a full-time hedonist semi-
businessperson and spend the rest of my days enjoying the remainder of
my life that I would be happier, and that, as things are right now, I am risking
finding out that I may be wasting my life pursuing an impossible dream! But
as Kennedy said, “If not I then who?” I mean, what if I can succeed even
within a few years from now? Would I not be able to reap unimaginable
social rewards and benefits? Don’t get me wrong, I am doing all this for a
combination of reasons, including the aforementioned ones. Ultimately I
must always remind myself this: what kind of a philosopher or philosophical
person would I be if I knew that I had the answer the world is actually
seeking, the answer for true everlasting peace, prosperity and joyful fulfilled
living, and I abandoned my efforts?? Would I not regret that more than
risking wasting my life in pursuit of a dream? One must dream the
impossible dream, reach out for the unreachable star, as Cervantes said in
Don Quixote de la Mancha! And I will, because in the final analysis I am
sincere in my convictions and purpose, in my desire for a world free from
the horrors of war, personalized hate and irrational fear, free from
excessive poverty, disease and unhappiness, free from extremists and
ignorant masses, a world where we all become life-loving moderates and
progressive realists! For am I not supposed to be Homo-Sapiensis?

Q. Thank you. This has truly been the most interesting interview I have
conducted in years, if not in my whole life. Just one last question, in closing.
What would you have become in the kind of almost ideal world that you
seek to make real?

J.P. Fenyo: I would probably have been a little bit of everything nice. A little
bit of a scientist exploring the vast oceans, the lands, skies and outer space,
a little bit of a serious movie star playing out past tragic stories of a time
that would, thank God, have long gone by, a little bit of an erotic sensualist
enjoying the pleasures of a healthy and rich life, a little bit of a litter disposal
person cleaning up our bio-diverse domed eco-village pathways, a little bit
of a musician playing notes and songs of such unimaginable beauty! And so
forth, but I certainly think that even in the best of worlds there will always be
some accidents, tragedies, and daily, mostly natural, sufferings and pains!
Just that the degree and amount of such suffering will be tolerable, unlike the
situation we have in our world today. I think my dear friend Mohen Naorem,
co-founder and director of The Infinity Society India, would also answer
similarly, but to be fair someone should interview him too. He has plenty to
say. What about you? What would you do in such a world?

Q. Perhaps the same.